Which VPS Providers have Modern CPU's on their plan

Which VPS Providers have Modern CPU's on their plan

inklightinklight Member
edited May 12 in Requests

In short I'm writing tutorials about Linux servers on some web forums and one of requirement of my tutorial is having Modern CPU to work with (Intel 3d Gen at least ) .

my current providerquadhost had Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1240 v5 which very impressive . So adding others providers name will be very helpful from me to complete my list .

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  • I think vultr has nodes on Xeon Gold now

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  • jiggawattzjiggawattz Member
    edited May 12

    subhojitdutta said: I think vultr has nodes on Xeon Gold now

    Vultr masks the CPU model, so this is just speculation. And you'd never know what you got.

    $ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep 'model name' model name : Virtual CPU a7769a6388d5

  • corbpiecorbpie Member

    You would think that if a company hides CPU model they aint rocking something special

    grape

  • FoxelVoxFoxelVox Member

    I have Xeon E5 4650v2’s and Xeon E5 2660v4’s in NL but my provider tag is Denied :c

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  • @jiggawattz said:

    subhojitdutta said: I think vultr has nodes on Xeon Gold now

    Vultr masks the CPU model, so this is just speculation. And you'd never know what you got.

    $ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep 'model name' model name : Virtual CPU a7769a6388d5

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  • deankdeank Member

    I consider neither v2 nor v4 to be modern CPUs.

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  • dev_vpsdev_vps Member

    @jiggawattz said:

    subhojitdutta said: I think vultr has nodes on Xeon Gold now

    Vultr masks the CPU model, so this is just speculation. And you'd never know what you got.

    $ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep 'model name' model name : Virtual CPU a7769a6388d5

    Virtual CPU a7769a6388d5 =
    Intel Core Processor (Broadwell) [Family 6 Model 61 Stepping 2]
    
  • SeFlow_EleSeFlow_Ele Member, Provider

    @inklight said:

    Hi, for our MYCore line we use only Xeon 1245v6 or Xeon 1270v6 CPUs with NVMe disks.

    http://www.seflow.net/2/index.php/en/services/mycore/mycore-2

  • jiggawattzjiggawattz Member
    edited May 12

    @dev_vps said:

    Virtual CPU a7769a6388d5 =
    Intel Core Processor (Broadwell) [Family 6 Model 61 Stepping 2]
    

    Where is this documented? I thought the a7769a6388d5 string was just some sort of QEMU unique identifier...

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  • dev_vpsdev_vps Member

    @jiggawattz said:

    @dev_vps said:

    > Virtual CPU a7769a6388d5 =
    > Intel Core Processor (Broadwell) [Family 6 Model 61 Stepping 2]
    > 

    Where is this documented? I thought the a7769a6388d5 string was just some sort of QEMU unique identifier...

    Just run GeekBench for the VPS and the report has all the details. :)

  • williewillie Member, Moderator
    edited May 12

    inklight said: one of requirement of my tutorial is having Modern CPU to work with (Intel 3d Gen at least ) .

    Why do you care about that in the slightest? What stuff in your tutorials depends on features that are only in more recent cpus? There are such features of course, like AVX512 or SGX, but it would surprise me if anything in a Linux server tutorial would make any use of them. I can't think of anything anyone does here on LET that doesn't work perfectly well on old servers, though perhaps more slowly than on newer ones. Well GPU stuff might be an exception but that's not about the CPU.

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    Don't underestimate the bragging rights.

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  • emghemgh Member

    @corbpie said: You would think that if a company hides CPU model they aint rocking something special

    Or they might want to make users not remove and deploy their vm(s) until they get their best CPU.

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  • wavecomaswavecomas Member, Provider
    edited May 12

    we have on lowend vps and xenserver cloudstack cloud e5-2640v4, and vcloud xeon cold 6126 @2.6 ghz. i dont think oldest gen is enough anymore however its ex e5-2680. -Cpu features are playing quite much in these days

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  • WilliamWilliam Member, Provider

    You people talk like AVX512 is really used inside VPS and seem to assume a v5 E3 is more near to a Xeon Gold than to a X5650 which is not the case aside of Perf/W.

    First one should note that E3 v5 has no AVX512 support at all.

    Even a Skylake (eg. E3 v5) CPU is only marginally different to an Ivy Bridge one (E3 v2) with primarily less power consumption by 22/14/etc nm (IPC gain in single digit % gen over gen) and the "added features" over i7 is.. ECC, and that just unbuffered, not reg. 16 PCIe lanes are also useless in enterprise, along the 32-64GB RAM limiy.

    E5 is different arch than desktop trash - mostly - but v4 vs. Skylake-X is not worlds apart, the differences inside Scalable (i.e. 1 or 2 AVX512 units per core) are if you NEED them far more important IMO.

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  • corbpiecorbpie Member

    @emgh said:

    @corbpie said: You would think that if a company hides CPU model they aint rocking something special

    Or they might want to make users not remove and deploy their vm(s) until they get their best CPU.

    Why? Easy money. As soon as you deploy you pay for the first hour

    grape

  • williewillie Member, Moderator
    edited May 12

    Don't know about E3v5 but the current Hetzner cloud vps do have avx512. I haven't used it for anything though.

    Since we're talking about VPS though (and in the LET context), an E3v2 or probably even an E3v1 will be much faster (single core) than the latest most expensive Xeon Gold or Platinum, the difference being that the E3 has 4 cores while the Xeon has 20+. So there's no point preferring a Xeon Gold VPS to an E3 VPS on general speed comparisons. The Xeon Gold is only better if it has a new feature that you want, or you want a many-core config outside of LET price levels.

    E3 is the same arch as i7 of same generation, but it supports ECC, stupid Intel product differentiation. Ryzen doesn't perpetuate that silliness.

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  • FoxelVoxFoxelVox Member

    @deank said: I consider neither v2 nor v4 to be modern CPUs.

    Pretty modern for the price i was trying to offer.

  • WilliamWilliam Member, Provider
    edited May 13

    the entire scalable lineup has nothing with high single core clock anyway, it's not the target market - the Ghz race is still there but the 'enterprise' users are switching to enduser/gaming hardware and overclocking, outliers as the X5698 are nowadays limited to special E5 AWS wafers (W suffixed, some with, some without ark entry, but retail sspec) and nothing on scalable.

    We'll see how EPYC adoption % are until Zen2 release, by then we should have higher server availability on medium sized clouds and the per core Ghz will be higher than Xeon.

  • inklightinklight Member

    willie said: Why do you care about that in the slightest? What stuff in your tutorials depends on features that are only in more recent cpus? There are such features of course, like AVX512 or SGX, but it would surprise me if anything in a Linux server tutorial would make any use of them.

    Well their is big diffrent between Intel First Generation Core i and the lather one specialley in term of IPC specialley if you devide it on VPS nodes , the app I use on that tutorial will stop if it lake sngle instraction delay , BTW when I say core i 3rd generation that means Xeon 2nd Generation which will be fair enough for the providers

    the deffirent may look little but I don't want CPU be the bottleneck of my app process , let me warry about other things like Network and IO etc .

  • eva2000eva2000 Member

    inklight said: Well their is big diffrent between Intel First Generation Core i and the lather one specialley in term of IPC specialley if you devide it on VPS nodes

    The difference is even greater when you looking at HTTPS and openssl related performance especially if you plan on using HTTPS based sites with either RSA 2048bit or ECDSA 256bit ssl certificates. It's a HTTPS world these days !

    For folks with both v1, v2, v3, v5 or v6 Xeon E3s can check out their own respective numbers

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  • williewillie Member, Moderator

    inklight said: I don't want CPU be the bottleneck of my app process ,

    By your own numbers E3-1240 (v1) is 1992 passmark per core. Xeon Gold 6138 is 25416 with 20 cores, or 1278 passmark per core. So if you compare an E3-1240 VPS with a Gold 6138 VPS that has the same number of cores, the E3 will win by a large margin.

    I do find though that there are some big Xeon Gold cpus with high clock rates, so it does depend on model. I didn't know they had such high-clocked cpus with lots of cores.

    Anyway what does your app process have to do with writing a tutorial? A tutorial is about how to do something.

  • teamaccteamacc Moderator

    @inklight said:

    willie said: Why do you care about that in the slightest? What stuff in your tutorials depends on features that are only in more recent cpus? There are such features of course, like AVX512 or SGX, but it would surprise me if anything in a Linux server tutorial would make any use of them.

    Well their is big diffrent between Intel First Generation Core i and the lather one specialley in term of IPC specialley if you devide it on VPS nodes , the app I use on that tutorial will stop if it lake sngle instraction delay , BTW when I say core i 3rd generation that means Xeon 2nd Generation which will be fair enough for the providers

    the deffirent may look little but I don't want CPU be the bottleneck of my app process , let me warry about other things like Network and IO etc .

    By those numbers there's a 20% increase in IPC. Given that the v1 was introduced back in Q2 2011, I say that's VERY low incremental increase.

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  • williewillie Member, Moderator

    Also, 1240v2 (Q2 2012) is 9172 passmark so almost all the ipc change happened at the v2 generation.

  • deankdeank Member
    edited May 13

    Intel has been lacking visions for a decade which allowed AMD to catch up finally. The thing is that Intel is still lacking visions.

    I don't see the need to upgrade my dual E5-2683v3 any time soon.

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  • teamaccteamacc Moderator

    @deank said: Intel has been lacking visions for a decade which allowed AMD to catch up finally. The thing is that Intel is still lacking visions.

    I don't see the need to upgrade my dual E5-2683v3 any time soon.

    Judging by the passmark scores of v2 vs v6, there's a 2% IPC increase. Those cpus have been released 5 years apart.

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  • deankdeank Member
    edited May 13

    IPC increase is pitiful, but some models have been getting more cores. I think they got like 2 more cores on some models.

    2683v3: 14c/28t

    2683v4: 16c/32t & 0.1ghz faster (lol)

    This is the definition of being lazy & lacking visions.

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  • inklightinklight Member
    edited May 13

    willie said: By your own numbers E3-1240 (v1) is 1992 passmark per core. Xeon Gold 6138 is 25416 with 20 cores, or 1278 passmark per core. So if you compare an E3-1240 VPS with a Gold 6138 VPS that has the same number of cores, the E3 will win by a large margin

    cpubenchmark.net shows Xeon Gold 6138score ~2090 percore and don't forgot it's clockes lower at 2Ghz compare to 3.3Ghz , and I'm comparing Core VS core since most of VPS profider goes fro budget setup using 4Cores CPU's as start .

    Last my tutorial abot Live video streaming and transcoding using ffmpeg as it benefit from any new instruction CPU had .

  • teamaccteamacc Moderator

    @inklight said:

    willie said: By your own numbers E3-1240 (v1) is 1992 passmark per core. Xeon Gold 6138 is 25416 with 20 cores, or 1278 passmark per core. So if you compare an E3-1240 VPS with a Gold 6138 VPS that has the same number of cores, the E3 will win by a large margin

    cpubenchmark.net shows Xeon Gold 6138score ~2090 percore and don't forgot it's clockes lower at 2Ghz compare to 3.3Ghz , and I'm comparing Core VS core since most of VPS profider goes fro budget setup using 4Cores CPU's as start .

    Last my tutorial abot Live video streaming and transcoding using ffmpeg as it benefit from any new instruction CPU had .

    That's not per-core score. That's with 1 core turbo-ing to 3.7ghz (or higher, depending on how the latest turbo boost thing works)

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  • inklightinklight Member

    teamacc said: That's not per-core score. That's with 1 core turbo-ing to 3.7ghz

    if this not bug on Passmark Intel gold chip score are disspointing specialley it's clocking on low speed 2Ghz base clock , lowring clock speed under 3Ghz will decress performance of any CPU .

  • williewillie Member, Moderator

    The Gold 6138 doesn't lower its speed below 3ghz, its normal speed is below that. It can increase its speed above normal in the specific situation that just a few cores are running so there's no thermal issue. But usually when someone buys a 20 core server they want to use all the cores. So you have to expect the server to run at the base clock speed and not the turbo speed.

  • deankdeank Member
    edited May 13

    Off topic but that "gold" and "silver" names feel so ... outdated.

    AMD isn't that good, either, coming up with dat zombie risen name.

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  • williewillie Member, Moderator

    deank said:

    Off topic but that "gold" and "silver" names feel so ... outdated.

    They also have platinum. I guess they are still working on the one after that, which is silicon.

  • WilliamWilliam Member, Provider

    @teamacc said: By those numbers there's a 20% increase in IPC. Given that the v1 was introduced back in Q2 2011, I say that's VERY low incremental increase.

    Keep in mind that at the same 80W v1 is 32nm vs v6 at 14nm(!), it is not architecture IPC gain for most parts.

  • vmhausvmhaus Top Provider

    @inklight said: In short I'm writing tutorials about Linux servers on some web forums and one of requirement of my tutorial is having Modern CPU to work with (Intel 3d Gen at least ) .

    my current providerquadhost had Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1240 v5 which very impressive . So adding others providers name will be very helpful from me to complete my list .

    We have a mix of Intel Xeon E3-1270-v6 and AMD Epyc 7281 in our London location.

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  • inklightinklight Member

    vmhaus said: We have a mix of Intel Xeon E3-1270-v6 and AMD Epyc 7281

    thanks for traperancy infact I'll add you on top of my list long live Epyc :)

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  • williewillie Member, Moderator
    edited May 14

    inklight said: long live Epyc :)

    I'd like to know if anyone offers the Ryzen 5 2200G or 2400G, either in VPS or dedi. If anyone is wondering, this is a midrange consumer chip with an integrated GPU which is partway between the Intel HD Graphics stuff and a more serious discrete GPU.

  • sureiamsureiam Member

    I would much rather have a provider list made up of AMD EPYC processors with encrypted virtual memory enabled (AMD EPYC SEV)...

    Hell i would pay EXTRA for that feature!

  • williewillie Member, Moderator

    Hetzner has Epyc dedis and I've thought of using SEV for something. On a VPS the concept is more dubious, per the SGX thread.

  • qtwrkqtwrk Member

    @vmhaus said:

    @inklight said: In short I'm writing tutorials about Linux servers on some web forums and one of requirement of my tutorial is having Modern CPU to work with (Intel 3d Gen at least ) .

    my current providerquadhost had Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1240 v5 which very impressive . So adding others providers name will be very helpful from me to complete my list .

    We have a mix of Intel Xeon E3-1270-v6 and AMD Epyc 7281 in our London location.

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  • sureiamsureiam Member

    @willie said:

    inklight said: long live Epyc :)

    I'd like to know if anyone offers the Ryzen 5 2200G or 2400G, either in VPS or dedi. If anyone is wondering, this is a midrange consumer chip with an integrated GPU which is partway between the Intel HD Graphics stuff and a more serious discrete GPU.

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  • sureiamsureiam Member

    @willie said: Hetzner has Epyc dedis and I've thought of using SEV for something. On a VPS the concept is more dubious, per the SGX thread.

    Could you link me to the SGX thread please. Think I missed that one.

  • williewillie Member, Moderator

    sureiam said:

    Could you link me to the SGX thread please. Think I missed that one.

    Please use http://www.bbs.bz/search?Search=sgx before posting requests like that.

  • WilliamWilliam Member, Provider
    edited May 15

    willie said: I'd like to know if anyone offers the Ryzen 5 2200G or 2400G, either in VPS or dedi. If anyone is wondering, this is a midrange consumer chip with an integrated GPU which is partway between the Intel HD Graphics stuff and a more serious discrete GPU.

    Keep in mind that this scales with memory speed (unlike Kaby Lake-G with Vega or Intel where iGPU does not even get fast enough for this issue), and JEDEC/Unbuffered DIMMs only go so far compared to non-ECC.

    This generally is an issue with Ryzen-as-server, Ryzen-embedded and to some extent also EPYC as the typical server DIMM only is 2400Mhz (or worse, 2133Mhz) while Zen below 3000Mhz is a waste of capability (simple Cinebench CPU test shows the magic).

    Running without ECC is an option for Desktop/Embedded (to some extent, some embedded do not allow to set "OC" memory profiles, so the ceiling probably is 3000Mhz) but... yea, i rather not, for many reasons often argued.

  • inklightinklight Member
    edited May 17

    willie said: I'd like to know if anyone offers the Ryzen 5 2200G or 2400G, either in VPS or dedi

    I don't advice you to do it First Ryzen consume enertgy more then servers chips , + plus you don't take avantage of iGPU(unless you want gaming with it ) as AMD video encoder horrible compare to intel qsv which is perfect .

    last AMD servers chips are diffrent from desktop in performance and IPC they are very close to intel top xeon chips and have extra cores , that's why I preffer EPYC , anyway I still think the new xeon chips generations are good speciall v6 and up .

  • williewillie Member, Moderator
    edited May 18

    The 2200G/2400G have the same Vega GPU as the discrete cards except smaller (8 to 12 CU instead of 56 or 64). Yes if I got such a server it would be for the purpose of using the integrated gpu, and I would in fact use it. It would not go to waste.

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